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lbm_bdj
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posted 09-06-2006 12:22 AM     Profile for lbm_bdj   Email lbm_bdj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have heard the province of Ontario requires there to be a minimum of 18 months between two adopted children. Is this an actual "law" or more of a "recommendation?" Different social workers have described it differently to me on different occasions so I am very confused. For example, if a couple already had a baby that was adopted 12 months ago and they were now approached by a birthmother who wanted them to adopt her baby immediately, would the ministry even approve that? Are there "special circumstances" that we would get approval or is the 18-month rule pretty hard and fast? Also, would adoption practitioners even be willing to add couples to their waiting list prior to the full 18 months being elapsed? Just curious. If anybody has any experience or insight, let me know. Thx.
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No experience, just reading around this board I've seen different versions of this rule. I've heard of as little as 6 months between! From what it looks like, it varies from agency to agency, depending aswell on the child you already have. Adopting healthy infants or toddlers close together would probably work better than adopting an 8 year old FAS child, then immediately adopting a 10 year old ADD/RAD child. See what I mean? I think it's all circumstance, and what you have to offer vs. what the agency needs, public especially.
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posted 09-06-2006 08:17 AM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For Perspective Adoptive Parents

1. Is a home study prepared by a private practitioner valid for the public system?
Yes it is. In the reverse, a home study completed by the CAS may not be complete enough for international adoption purposes, so an update to the original will need to be done.

2. Can we start the home study while in the midst of infertility treatment?
When making the decision to adopt a child, you must first make the decision to stop treatment. Otherwise there is a risk of the adopted child not being accepted for who he is but rather as a replacement for the biological child that never was. This would pose serious threat to a child’s self esteem and therefore it is Ministry mandated that all adoptive applicants first finish with infertility treatment before pursuing adoption.

3. Do we have to have a definite adoption plan prior to beginning the home study?
No. By engaging in the home study experience, you will gather information on various options and confirm your priorities which will allow you to make decisions that are best for you.

4. Can we work with more than one licensee?
Absolutely you can. This creates the potential for reaching out to more birth parents but you will incur more costs this way as each licensee will require a retainer when you submit your profiles.

5. Can you pursue public and private adoption at the same time?
You can certainly submit your profile to a licensee and be registered with the CAS at the same time but you can only adopt one child at a time. In fact, MCSS will only allow you to adopt one child within an eighteen month period, not including a sibling group.

6. Can you pursue local and international adoption at the same time?
Once again, you can submit your profile to a licensee and be registered with an international adoption agency at the same time but you can only adopt one child at a time. Your adoption practitioner can discuss the pros and cons of these options.
7. How long is a home study valid for?
Once a home study for international adoption has been approved by MCSS it is valid for eighteen months from the date of approval. A home study that has been completed for domestic adoption is not reviewed until a match has been made. If less than two years has passed, the medical and police documentation is still valid and an update will have to be submitted reporting on any changes in the applicants situation and the details of the match.

8. Is there a waiting time between each adoption?
MCSS stipulates that placement of children in their adoptive homes should be at least eighteen months apart. The update to the original home study can be done after nine months from the previous placement date.

9. Are there age limits for adoptive applicants?
For domestic adoption, there are not any age limits imposed by legislation, although birth parents may place their own limits in this decision. For international adoption, every country has it’s own regulations for foreign adoption including age of applicants.

10. What is open adoption?
Completely open adoption is when birth parents and adoptive parents are aware of each other’s whereabouts and have ongoing contact without the licensee’s involvement. Semi-open adoption, which is more common, is when adoptive and birth parents meet, perhaps even attend the birth, but then post placement contact is only with pictures and letters through the licensee for an agreed upon period of time. In the latter, identifying information is not shared.

11. Can I work with a licensee in another province?
Yes. The legislation governing adoption in that province will apply to you.

12. How long does it take to adopt a child domestically?
There is not a time frame that can be given as when you are chosen is up to the discretion of the birth parents. In public adoption the time frame is dependent on when the CAS determines that you are a good match for a child. In this sense it can be a more frustrating process than international adoption where a time line for receiving child is specified.

Although I took this from an "old" site because the Ministry is no longer called MCSS, the info is still the same.


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posted 09-06-2006 12:43 PM     Profile for sueandmike   Email sueandmike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the information Shelley (I had never seen these).

I think a key part of the statement is the "should" '... MCSS stipulates that placement of children in their adoptive homes should be at least eighteen months apart ...'. My understanding is that there is no hard 18 month rule but it's of a guideline and would weigh in as well as other factors in determining the suitability of the adoption.


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posted 09-06-2006 01:18 PM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You think I can find that site again so I can attach the link? Nope. lol.

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posted 09-06-2006 01:43 PM     Profile for mum of *4*   Email mum of *4*     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Our agency does not follow the 18-month rule, but I am not sure about other agencies in NS.

I think there are exceptions to every rule....thank God.


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posted 09-06-2006 02:12 PM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Maybe NS doesn't have that rule? Since the Acts are Provincial. It is BC that is only 6 months.

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posted 09-06-2006 02:15 PM     Profile for mum of *4*   Email mum of *4*     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think it changed here, Shelley. I remember when we adopted the first time around, we had to wait.
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posted 09-06-2006 09:14 PM     Profile for LauraP   Email LauraP     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No. 2 was a surprise to me! Anyone have any idea if it is still valid?
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posted 09-06-2006 09:30 PM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think it is. I once discussed this with an adoption professional who said that is the case.

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posted 09-07-2006 12:40 PM     Profile for sueandmike   Email sueandmike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LauraP:
No. 2 was a surprise to me! Anyone have any idea if it is still valid?

We were told this (that we couldn't start looking into adoption if we were doing fertility treatment) by several different agencies (private and public) (even if we just wanted to try to have a child by any means possible and if we got pregnant and were selected for a placement we would have gladly taken both). Not sure if it's an actual rule or just a common procedure but it looks like, at least in Ontario, none of the agencies we spoke with will accept you while you're undergoing fertility treatment.


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posted 11-30-2006 01:17 PM     Profile for sueandmike   Email sueandmike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just wondering if anyone has found more recent information on this. We're hoping to adopt a 2nd child but our social worker recently told us that from his understanding, the adopted children had to be at last 18 months apart in age (i.e. if we have a 2 year old child, an adopted child had to be at most 6 months old). I was under the impression that Ontario preferred if the placements were 18 months apart but did not have any restrictions on the actual age.

If you have any more information, please let us know.
Mike and Sue


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Sue,

I just took a course called "The Legal Aspects of Adoption in Ontario". This was discussed in the course. Your understanding is correct. The children need to be placed in your home 18 months apart. They do not need to be 18 months apart in age. There are always exceptions to the rule. The most likely time this rule would be set aside would be if the children were biological siblings.

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We just had this exact discussion with our SW on Fri. She said that generally it is 18mths between each placement. We asked because we wanted to be sure if our bmom had another baby and wanted him or her placed that we could take them. Also or ds has two older siblings that we would hope could be placed with us if that was ever to come up. She said in those cases they would definatly place with us.

We discussed updating our homestudy when W turns one so that she can be looking for our next match. If she found the perfect match she said she coulld probably work something out if it was not quite 18mts.

It may be diffrent for us because we are a resourse foster home (fostering with a view to adopt).As the first few months may tecnically be fostering.

As for the age requirments our SW said that she would like us to take a younger child so W would be the oldest but I think that is just what she thinks would be best for us and not a guidline.


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As for the age requirments our SW said that she would like us to take a younger child so W would be the oldest but I think that is just what she thinks would be best for us and not a guidline

That's a common practice with Ontario CAS agencies.

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posted 12-01-2006 04:53 PM     Profile for sueandmike   Email sueandmike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For anyone interested, it looks like my social worker was correct and Ontario does require 18 months between placements and 18 months of age difference (He also said that they tend to frown upon adopting children older than current children because it can hinder familly dynamics).

I found the following paragraph on the Ontario Ministry of Children Services website (Ontario Ministry of Children Services):

People who study child development advise that it is best for children when there is significant spacing between placements and an appropriate age difference between the child being adopted and the other children in the home. Ministry policy, which requires 18 months as an appropriate amount of spacing between placements and age spacing, is based on research findings.

I can understand their logic although we are a bit disapointed as we were excited to try to adopt another child close to our son's age.

Mike and Sue


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We were just told today that we will be adopting 2 children that are not 18 months apart from our children. The girl is 6 months older than our eldest dd M and her brother is 12 months younger than M, and 12 14 months older than our yougest. That defies all the rules dosen't it.

Good luck

Mattise


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When my brother adopted a sibling group of three he already had 3 bio kids. So when all was said and done they had M-age 6 bio, J- age 5 bio, A- age 5 adopted, A- age 3 bio, I- age 2 adopted, and J- age 1 adopted. They had six kids six and under, almost unheard of but it was approved and they are doing wonderfully together! The rules are a great guideline, but we all know rules are made to be broken!!

Emily


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I think in our case they are hoping our dd's will bond and that it will be easier for K to make the transition from her foster home. I do still believe that the guidlines are right when it comes to time between adoptions. I think parents need time to bond and learn to parent their first child or first adopted child. Adoption breakdowns are more common than I thought.


Mattise


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posted 12-04-2006 09:41 AM     Profile for sueandmike   Email sueandmike     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the feedback.

As seen in these cases, these policies are guidelines and I'm sure they often make exception when it's in the best interest of the child (children).

I think anytime there are siblings, they'd much rather have them placed together so all policies pretty much go out the window. Same would apply in cases where there's already a relationship (e.g. orphaned child could be placed with familly member or friends if it's a good fit for child or child could be placed with foster parents even if it doesn't fit in all policies).


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I have a co-worker with A daughters about 16 months apart. After the match the ministry tried to shut it down, but she knows the system well and wasn't afraid to push, so in the end they approved it. It seems most of the rules tend to be guidelines, rather than laws.
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