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mamitalinda
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posted 12-06-2006 09:03 AM     Profile for mamitalinda   Email mamitalinda     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, never one to shy away from controversy, I thought I'd post something I noticed when perusing the parent registry (btw, congratulations Sheila & Patrick on your new addition!).

I did a count of how many successful adoptive parents adopted boys & how many adopted girls, and was a bit surprised to find it was 2-1: 31 boys were placed (including a set of twins) and 15 girls were placed (not including an adorable toddler girl placed through CAS).

So here is my question: does our culture somehow view boys as better able to handle an adoptive placement? Do birth mothers (and I KNOW I am treading into murky waters here, as no two birth mothers are alike) want to somehow protect girls by parenting them, or protect boys by placing them? Is the (common, but not universal) lack of a male role model at play in decisions to place boys?

I know when North Americans talk about international adoption, we are quick to point out that, for example, birth monthers in countries such as Korea and Guatemala overwhelmingly place boys, whereas birth mothers in countries such as India and China overwhelmingly place girls. But I don't know to what extent we have examined this phenomenon in our own culture.

To be clear: I hope this conversation remains respectful towards birth parents. I feel that decisions to place one gender more frequently than another are reflective of how the society at large views gender, and should NOT be a moral condemnation of the birth parent.

That said: discuss!


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posted 12-06-2006 11:11 AM     Profile for janet   Email janet     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello,

Interesting topic. Not only does it have to do with the kids placed it also has to do with what people request.

Apparently over 60% of adoptive parents ask for girls! Not sure why, maybe because women are usually the ones pushing the adoption or adoption paperwork.

We adopted from Russia, there are 8 boys to every 2 girls in Russian orpahnages. Partly because more PAP ask for girls. But also because Russian families tend to keep girls rather than boys and also in Russia more PAP ask for girls.

In almost all countries (expect CHina) it is a longer wait to adopt a girl.

Chat soon.

Janet


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posted 12-06-2006 11:56 AM     Profile for mum of *4*   Email mum of *4*     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Interesting topic, F.

I know many, many adoptive couples, and of all the ones I know, every single one adopted a boy first, except for Terry. lol I have no idea what their preferences were, but that is the way it worked out.

Most who have gone on to adopt the second time, adopted a girl. In these cases, I would say they probably requested a girl, but could be wrong there.

For us, in particular, we just wanted a child. It didn't matter what the gender was. We adopted a boy, then another boy, but requested a girl for our third adoption.


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posted 12-06-2006 01:48 PM     Profile for Momof5   Email Momof5     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Very interesting... I know that out of the the kids placed through my sons foster home (a safe baby home placing drug & alcohol exposed babies) - it was more like 8 boys to 2 girls. She felt like it was because girls do better than boys - the effects (in general) are less, and the birthmoms were more likely to feel like they could make changes and parent a child that was less effected. Now of course this is public adoption and complete personal opinion and experience not scientific.
With our adoption - we had no gender preference the first time and chose to adopt only a girl the second adoption.
Good topic - F.

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posted 12-06-2006 03:25 PM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I didn't know the gender of my baby when I decided on adoption as I was only about six weeks pregnant. I will admit though that I have always wanted a girl and wondered if there would be an additional layer of grief if I had a girl given I will likely never get to raise one. I used to dream about dressing one up in dresses etc when Matt was little and the stores have so much more choice in girls clothes then boys. I am not saying it would have been harder to place a girl but I wondered if that would have added to the grief because it would have been another dream I would have been saying goodbye too. Aren't more boys born then girls?

Shell


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posted 12-06-2006 03:37 PM     Profile for Jen   Email Jen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think there are more boy's than girls in general.

At the daycare where I work we always have a greater number of males than females. Last year out of the whole year our infant program that is licenced for 9 infants had only 1 girl enrolled for 10 of the 12 months. Then then it went to a 2(female) to 7(male) ratio.

By the way I adopted a baby boy and a family member adopted 3 boys. I am nit sure when we adopt again if I would ask for a girl or let the cards fall where they may. I guess in nature you don't have a choice. Whats ment to be is ment to be.


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posted 12-06-2006 04:33 PM     Profile for Michelle1976   Email Michelle1976     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well..my child is a boy, but like Shelley, his birthmom had no idea he was going to be a 'he' when she made her choice.

This time around we are still completely open to either gender, but I would LOVE a girl, in order to have one of each. I think if our next child turns out to be a boy, that we'll consider adopting a third..(shh..don't tell dh!!) and specifically ask for a girl, or join a program where there are more girls (ie. China)

Michelle


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posted 12-06-2006 09:16 PM     Profile for shelley2003   Email shelley2003     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To be honest, I was afraid of having a girl because I knew it would be difficult as it was and feared I would be more distressed if I had to place the only girl I would likely ever have. It actually makes me feel bad to admit that. Had my first child that I am parenting been a girl, I likely would have had these feelings about placing the only boy I would likely ever have. What would Nathan think of that? Would he wonder if I would have parented him if he was a girl? I actually thought about all that stuff when he was born. The reasons I chose adoption would apply no matter the gender of the baby but I did fear having to let go of a baby girl and wondered if I would be able to do so if it came to that given I have always dreamed of parenting a girl. I found out only 8 days before he was born that he was a boy. Would I have been even more emotional then I was had I found out I was having a girl? I think so only because of that dream of being the mommy of a girl.

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mamitalinda
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posted 12-06-2006 10:18 PM     Profile for mamitalinda   Email mamitalinda     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shelley2003:
Aren't more boys born then girls?

Shell


Yes, but only 52% of children born are boys, whereas over 67% of the placements mentioned in the CA adoptive parent profiles are boys. (A little over half versus a little over 2/3; definitely statistically significant).

At one year of age the ratios in the general population even out to about 50/50 (the neonatal death rate for boys is higher, for whatever reason).


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posted 12-07-2006 06:27 PM     Profile for Road Warrior   Email Road Warrior     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I heard that more girls are wanted than boys because people THINK girls are easier than boys. (LOL - Wait till they hit puberty!)

Don't know how factual this it.


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posted 12-09-2006 10:06 AM     Profile for Beachmama   Email Beachmama     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks so much for all the facts and figures, they helped us out quite a bit. We already have 2DS and 1DD so we were planning to only request a girl as part of our homestudy. After reading these facts and a bit of soul searching, we told our SW yesterday that we would accept either a boy or a girl. This was the last meeting of our homestudy so I think we caught the SW a little off guard but after I told him about all the numbers I had read here, he seemed to better understand. To me, adoption is in some ways like a pregnancy, that you never know if you will have a girl or a boy so in the end it felt uncomfortable to me to request a specific gender. Thanks again for your help.
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In the adoption world far more families request girls than boys (60-70% request girls), this stat is for both domestic and international adoptions. I have read it in a umber of places, as well our sw brought it up during our homestudy.

There have even been studies done as to why adoptive families request girls more than boys!

This is one of the reasons I heard the Ontario Ministry was considering not allowing waiting families to select genders anymore when they submit homestudies for approval.
Nicole


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mamitalinda
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Wow, Beachmama, I wasn't setting out to influence anyone's decision, but I'm glad the discussion has been food for thought for folks.

Secretly (okay, not secretly, as I have told my husband and our worker), I hope to be placed with a girl, as we already have a boy, and I wonder if my family will feel "complete" without a girl. (Not that I won't thoroughly enjoy a boy, just the "completion" thing nags at me).

That said, my personal decision has been that I will do as pregnant parents do & harbour my secret hope, knowing that it could go either way. I would welcome a boy with wide open arms, provided he is a match in every other way. And it does haunt me a bit to know that there are twice as many girls requested and twice as many boys available.

I wouldn't judge another parent for requesting a girl (after all, in adoption we request all manner of characteristics re: special needs, race, age etc that we can't as biological parents), but for me personally, I am going to trust my worker to help me find the right match, boy or girl.


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We are choosing a girl simply because we already have a boy (biological son). There were no fertility issues for us other than the fact that my husband had a vasectomy and we later decided it really would be nice to have two children. We felt that adoption was a nice way to complete our family as we had a choice between the two routes. Had we already had a girl, our natural preference from there would to have adopted a boy! We really want one of each.


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I dunno - we were also gender neutral. We did request a dd for our 3rd child as we had adopted 2 boys previous. Our 4th child's bmom did not now the gender...and we did not care. :0) Healthy was our only priority at that time.

Lorraine


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posted 12-09-2006 10:46 PM     Profile for Chantallen   Email Chantallen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have my girl...but always wanted 3 boys!!! I never wanted a girl, at all ever! Not even when I was little!

Now I got pregnant, and had dd.

Now I am waiting for a placement, and have chosen to be gender neutral this time around (as in pregnancy), but when I adopt #3, I will be asking for a boy, even if number 2 is a boy...I definitly want my last one to be a son.

can't really explain it rationally, but it is the way I feel. and after already having a girl...ONE is definitly enough!!!!


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That's so funny - We always felt a 'baby sister' to round out the family would be 'right' for us. As it turns out our dd was 3rd and ds was 4th. We can't imagine it any other way now! :0)

I hope more families will consider requesting boys...they really are wonderful!

Lorraine


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Hmmm - I have adopted 2 baby girls, both of which I found out about, when they were 1 day old! And, funny enough, all I ever wanted was boys - LOL - not that I'd trade my girls for anything, and I'm sure if I am lucky enough to be chosen again by PBP's (and it's a 3rd girl) I will jump in with both feet! In saying all of that - prior to my first daughter, I bought "blue" cloths, and "named" my son. Then, I gave away all the "pink" baby things after my 1st daughter out grew them - all the while assuming the next would be a boy! When we were presented with baby #2, I said to put our profile forward, leaving the outcome to fate - same as I would have if I'd been preggo naturally! All I do know though is, I still have my "boy" named in my head, I "know" what "he" will look like, and I think my hubby will "kill" me if "he" turns out to be another "she" - LOL - life has thrown me in ways I could never have imagined, but hey, I have the worlds best daughters, and I will never be a lonely old woman, 'cause I'll always have my girls!

Just my 2 cents...Laura


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posted 12-12-2006 12:28 PM     Profile for Canadian84   Email Canadian84     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We plan on requesting boys. I don't know why, I can't explain my reasoning. It's just a feeling I get, that boys will suit our family.
That, and there are no boys at all out of all the grandkids on my side of the family, and only one boy on the in-laws side.
We would even accept a sibling group of boys all at once.
I will do my 'completion' as another lady put it. I will adopt a girl in a few years (maybe 5) If I have a girl, I want her to be my baby forever lol

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We're looking at adopting a sib group - preferably a larger one. Gender isn't that important to us. Dh is kind of hoping for at least one boy, since we have three bio dd's. He doesn't really seem that set on the idea of a boy, though.

Dawn H.


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